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Top Forums UNIX for Advanced & Expert Users Finding Out When A Process Has Finished? Post 9677 by 1cuervo on Thursday 1st of November 2001 03:20:47 AM
Old 11-01-2001
Thanks for your tips! I have one more query concerning PIDs:

On a typical UNIX machine (whatever that is!), how often is a specific PID likely to be allocated to a process? Of course, this will depend on the number of processes running, but I was just curious to see if there is a chance that during the time between my checks to see if processes are running, one of my processes terminates and it's PID is actually applied to a new process, thus giving my application the impression that the terminated process is still running, when in fact it has finished & the PID being searched for actually belongs to a completely different process!

My application is currently checking all PIDs at 5-minute intervals, so in the worst case scenario, the same PID would have to be allocated within a time-frame of 4:59 minutes. This seems unlikely.
 

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PID_NAMESPACES(7)					     Linux Programmer's Manual						 PID_NAMESPACES(7)

NAME
pid_namespaces - overview of Linux PID namespaces DESCRIPTION
For an overview of namespaces, see namespaces(7). PID namespaces isolate the process ID number space, meaning that processes in different PID namespaces can have the same PID. PID names- paces allow containers to provide functionality such as suspending/resuming the set of processes in the container and migrating the con- tainer to a new host while the processes inside the container maintain the same PIDs. PIDs in a new PID namespace start at 1, somewhat like a standalone system, and calls to fork(2), vfork(2), or clone(2) will produce pro- cesses with PIDs that are unique within the namespace. Use of PID namespaces requires a kernel that is configured with the CONFIG_PID_NS option. The namespace init process The first process created in a new namespace (i.e., the process created using clone(2) with the CLONE_NEWPID flag, or the first child cre- ated by a process after a call to unshare(2) using the CLONE_NEWPID flag) has the PID 1, and is the "init" process for the namespace (see init(1)). A child process that is orphaned within the namespace will be reparented to this process rather than init(1) (unless one of the ancestors of the child in the same PID namespace employed the prctl(2) PR_SET_CHILD_SUBREAPER command to mark itself as the reaper of orphaned descendant processes). If the "init" process of a PID namespace terminates, the kernel terminates all of the processes in the namespace via a SIGKILL signal. This behavior reflects the fact that the "init" process is essential for the correct operation of a PID namespace. In this case, a subse- quent fork(2) into this PID namespace will fail with the error ENOMEM; it is not possible to create a new processes in a PID namespace whose "init" process has terminated. Such scenarios can occur when, for example, a process uses an open file descriptor for a /proc/[pid]/ns/pid file corresponding to a process that was in a namespace to setns(2) into that namespace after the "init" process has terminated. Another possible scenario can occur after a call to unshare(2): if the first child subsequently created by a fork(2) termi- nates, then subsequent calls to fork(2) will fail with ENOMEM. Only signals for which the "init" process has established a signal handler can be sent to the "init" process by other members of the PID namespace. This restriction applies even to privileged processes, and prevents other members of the PID namespace from accidentally killing the "init" process. Likewise, a process in an ancestor namespace can--subject to the usual permission checks described in kill(2)--send signals to the "init" process of a child PID namespace only if the "init" process has established a handler for that signal. (Within the handler, the siginfo_t si_pid field described in sigaction(2) will be zero.) SIGKILL or SIGSTOP are treated exceptionally: these signals are forcibly delivered when sent from an ancestor PID namespace. Neither of these signals can be caught by the "init" process, and so will result in the usual actions associated with those signals (respectively, terminating and stopping the process). Starting with Linux 3.4, the reboot(2) system call causes a signal to be sent to the namespace "init" process. See reboot(2) for more details. Nesting PID namespaces PID namespaces can be nested: each PID namespace has a parent, except for the initial ("root") PID namespace. The parent of a PID names- pace is the PID namespace of the process that created the namespace using clone(2) or unshare(2). PID namespaces thus form a tree, with all namespaces ultimately tracing their ancestry to the root namespace. A process is visible to other processes in its PID namespace, and to the processes in each direct ancestor PID namespace going back to the root PID namespace. In this context, "visible" means that one process can be the target of operations by another process using system calls that specify a process ID. Conversely, the processes in a child PID namespace can't see processes in the parent and further removed ancestor namespaces. More succinctly: a process can see (e.g., send signals with kill(2), set nice values with setpriority(2), etc.) only processes contained in its own PID namespace and in descendants of that namespace. A process has one process ID in each of the layers of the PID namespace hierarchy in which is visible, and walking back though each direct ancestor namespace through to the root PID namespace. System calls that operate on process IDs always operate using the process ID that is visible in the PID namespace of the caller. A call to getpid(2) always returns the PID associated with the namespace in which the process was created. Some processes in a PID namespace may have parents that are outside of the namespace. For example, the parent of the initial process in the namespace (i.e., the init(1) process with PID 1) is necessarily in another namespace. Likewise, the direct children of a process that uses setns(2) to cause its children to join a PID namespace are in a different PID namespace from the caller of setns(2). Calls to getp- pid(2) for such processes return 0. While processes may freely descend into child PID namespaces (e.g., using setns(2) with CLONE_NEWPID), they may not move in the other direction. That is to say, processes may not enter any ancestor namespaces (parent, grandparent, etc.). Changing PID namespaces is a one way operation. setns(2) and unshare(2) semantics Calls to setns(2) that specify a PID namespace file descriptor and calls to unshare(2) with the CLONE_NEWPID flag cause children subse- quently created by the caller to be placed in a different PID namespace from the caller. These calls do not, however, change the PID namespace of the calling process, because doing so would change the caller's idea of its own PID (as reported by getpid()), which would break many applications and libraries. To put things another way: a process's PID namespace membership is determined when the process is created and cannot be changed thereafter. Among other things, this means that the parental relationship between processes mirrors the parental relationship between PID namespaces: the parent of a process is either in the same namespace or resides in the immediate parent PID namespace. Compatibility of CLONE_NEWPID with other CLONE_* flags CLONE_NEWPID can't be combined with some other CLONE_* flags: * CLONE_THREAD requires being in the same PID namespace in order that the threads in a process can send signals to each other. Similarly, it must be possible to see all of the threads of a processes in the proc(5) filesystem. * CLONE_SIGHAND requires being in the same PID namespace; otherwise the process ID of the process sending a signal could not be meaning- fully encoded when a signal is sent (see the description of the siginfo_t type in sigaction(2)). A signal queue shared by processes in multiple PID namespaces will defeat that. * CLONE_VM requires all of the threads to be in the same PID namespace, because, from the point of view of a core dump, if two processes share the same address space then they are threads and will be core dumped together. When a core dump is written, the PID of each thread is written into the core dump. Writing the process IDs could not meaningfully succeed if some of the process IDs were in a par- ent PID namespace. To summarize: there is a technical requirement for each of CLONE_THREAD, CLONE_SIGHAND, and CLONE_VM to share a PID namespace. (Note fur- thermore that in clone(2) requires CLONE_VM to be specified if CLONE_THREAD or CLONE_SIGHAND is specified.) Thus, call sequences such as the following will fail (with the error EINVAL): unshare(CLONE_NEWPID); clone(..., CLONE_VM, ...); /* Fails */ setns(fd, CLONE_NEWPID); clone(..., CLONE_VM, ...); /* Fails */ clone(..., CLONE_VM, ...); setns(fd, CLONE_NEWPID); /* Fails */ clone(..., CLONE_VM, ...); unshare(CLONE_NEWPID); /* Fails */ /proc and PID namespaces A /proc filesystem shows (in the /proc/PID directories) only processes visible in the PID namespace of the process that performed the mount, even if the /proc filesystem is viewed from processes in other namespaces. After creating a new PID namespace, it is useful for the child to change its root directory and mount a new procfs instance at /proc so that tools such as ps(1) work correctly. If a new mount namespace is simultaneously created by including CLONE_NEWNS in the flags argument of clone(2) or unshare(2), then it isn't necessary to change the root directory: a new procfs instance can be mounted directly over /proc. From a shell, the command to mount /proc is: $ mount -t proc proc /proc Calling readlink(2) on the path /proc/self yields the process ID of the caller in the PID namespace of the procfs mount (i.e., the PID namespace of the process that mounted the procfs). This can be useful for introspection purposes, when a process wants to discover its PID in other namespaces. Miscellaneous When a process ID is passed over a UNIX domain socket to a process in a different PID namespace (see the description of SCM_CREDENTIALS in unix(7)), it is translated into the corresponding PID value in the receiving process's PID namespace. CONFORMING TO
Namespaces are a Linux-specific feature. EXAMPLE
See user_namespaces(7). SEE ALSO
clone(2), setns(2), unshare(2), proc(5), credentials(7), capabilities(7), user_namespaces(7), switch_root(8) Linux 2015-01-10 PID_NAMESPACES(7)
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