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Top Forums Programming sockets - can you send data while waiting on select() Post 302526639 by expl on Wednesday 1st of June 2011 06:11:45 AM
Old 06-01-2011
Sockets are also not available on EVERY system, does not mean you should not use them. The option is available on Windows, Linux and BSDs, haven't checked more.

Go check the POSIX specification for socket's options. The STANDARD said so.

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Originally Posted by Loic Domaigne

Your reasoning is excellent, but your basic assumptions are off. If you read carefully my posts, I just mentioned that it is possible to block on a socket, while sending data, since TCP is full-duplex. Nothing more, nothing less.

And even if people err (I personally do), I don't feel the need to treat them "maroons that have no idea about what they're talking about". We're all here to learn, and this can be achieved in a respectful way.

Just my 2c,
Loïc
I apologize for my rudeness.

As in abstract implementation goes, it is possible but its not very smart as it is easy to mess up, consider blocking thread unblocks (because it gets data to read) while other thread is sending and starts sending as well, you end up with borked output, or at least there will be a race condition possibility. Smart implementation should use just one thread per connection handler.

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NPTL(7) 						     Linux Programmer's Manual							   NPTL(7)

NAME
nptl - Native POSIX Threads Library DESCRIPTION
NPTL (Native POSIX Threads Library) is the GNU C library POSIX threads implementation that is used on modern Linux systems. NPTL and signals NPTL makes internal use of the first two real-time signals (signal numbers 32 and 33). One of these signals is used to support thread can- cellation and POSIX timers (see timer_create(2)); the other is used as part of a mechanism that ensures all threads in a process always have the same UIDs and GIDs, as required by POSIX. These signals cannot be used in applications. To prevent accidental use of these signals in applications, which might interfere with the operation of the NPTL implementation, various glibc library functions and system call wrapper functions attempt to hide these signals from applications, as follows: * SIGRTMIN is defined with the value 34 (rather than 32). * The sigwaitinfo(2), sigtimedwait(2), and sigwait(3) interfaces silently ignore requests to wait for these two signals if they are speci- fied in the signal set argument of these calls. * The sigprocmask(2) and pthread_sigmask(3) interfaces silently ignore attempts to block these two signals. * The sigaction(2), pthread_kill(3), and pthread_sigqueue(3) interfaces fail with the error EINVAL (indicating an invalid signal number) if these signals are specified. * sigfillset(3) does not include these two signals when it creates a full signal set. NPTL and process credential changes At the Linux kernel level, credentials (user and group IDs) are a per-thread attribute. However, POSIX requires that all of the POSIX threads in a process have the same credentials. To accommodate this requirement, the NPTL implementation wraps all of the system calls that change process credentials with functions that, in addition to invoking the underlying system call, arrange for all other threads in the process to also change their credentials. The implementation of each of these system calls involves the use of a real-time signal that is sent (using tgkill(2)) to each of the other threads that must change its credentials. Before sending these signals, the thread that is changing credentials saves the new creden- tial(s) and records the system call being employed in a global buffer. A signal handler in the receiving thread(s) fetches this informa- tion and then uses the same system call to change its credentials. Wrapper functions employing this technique are provided for setgid(2), setuid(2), setegid(2), seteuid(2), setregid(2), setreuid(2), setres- gid(2), setresuid(2), and setgroups(2). CONFORMING TO
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