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Top Forums UNIX for Dummies Questions & Answers New to UNIX, what now? Post 302753417 by DustinT on Tuesday 8th of January 2013 03:12:35 PM
Old 01-08-2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corona688
It's not purism. I used to agree with you. I used Mandrake Linux with pure GUI for years -- but I learned nothing from it, and when it broke down I was helpless.

Most of what you're learning when you "learn shell" isn't shell at all. You're learning the shape of UNIX itself -- where files go, how files work, how paths work, how programs live and die and communicate, how to kill them, where devices are, how to use them, where partitions are, how they work, and how everything is connected together.

Besides, some important configuration files are scripts.

The GUI is not the system. UNIX isn't centralized like Windows is. If you don't spend at least a little time learning the fundamentals, it's going to haunt you.
Yes, this is completely and totally true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vich
Thanks -

I did spend 2 years writing hundreds of in-depth scripts on HP-UX. Yeaaars ago. I was just a programmer though; not responsible for systems management. Just stuff like data manipulation, scheduled FTP tasks, grepping like crazy, and wrote a simplistic Program Generator for SQL.

Scripting cannot be replaced with a GUI. Granted. Just want to jump-start on the basics a GUI can help on. Things like:

- Backup-n-recovery
- view / manage files and folders
- MySQL access and maintenance (using the free TOAD by Quest is a Godsend)
- User set-ups
- Applying patches and installing things like Backup-Exec drivers.

An analogy might be this "REPLY" box. All those GUI icons along the top mean I don't have to write the actual HTML script to attach pictures, add bullet items, etc. Even though I know HTML good enough, it's a LOT easier to just click it. If a simple bullet-list suffices then WHY bother?

Sorry to sound argumentative. I appreciate all suggestions.

I'm just asking what the best GUIs are that will help me manage things on a day-to-day basis. I've hired an (expensive) consultant who'll do the heavy lifting - hopefully rarely.

Also; if someone has a favorite tutorial where I can refresh on the basics (yes, including scripting).

Thanks!
Take some time to learn the CLI and you'll never regret it. Unix isn't Windows and you'll only be disappointed if you expect to it act like it is.
 

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TKPP(1) 						User Contributed Perl Documentation						   TKPP(1)

NAME
tkpp - frontend to pp written in Perl/Tk. SYNOPSIS
You just have to execute command line : tkpp DESCRIPTION
Tkpp is a GUI frontend to pp, which can turn perl scripts into stand-alone PAR files, perl scripts or executables. You can save command line generated, load and save your Tkpp configuration GUI. Below is a short explanation of tkpp GUI. Menu File -> Save command line When you build or display command line in the Tkpp GUI, you can save the command line in a separated file. This command line can be executed from a terminal. File -> Save configuration You can save your GUI configuration (all options used) to load and execute it next time. File -> Load configuration Load your saved file configuration. All saved options will be set in the GUI. File -> Exit Close Tkpp. Help -> Tkpp documentation Display POD documentation of Tkpp. Help -> pp documentation Display POD documentation of pp. Help -> About Tkpp Display version and authors of Tkpp. Help -> About pp Display version and authors of pp ( pp --version). Tabs GUI There are five tabs in GUI : General Options, Information, Size, Other Options and Output. All tabs contain all options which can be used with pp. All default pp options are kept. You can now set as you want the options. When your have finished, you can display the command line or start building your package. You will have the output tab to see error or verbose messages. NOTES
In Win32 system, the building is executed in a separate process, then the GUI is not frozen. The first time you use Tkpp, it will tell you to install some CPAN modules to use the GUI (like Tk, Tk::ColoredButton...). SEE ALSO
pp, PAR AUTHORS
Tkpp was written by Doug Gruber and rewrite by Djibril Ousmanou. In the event this application breaks, you get both pieces :-) COPYRIGHT
Copyright 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2011 by Doug Gruber <doug(a)dougthug.com>, Audrey Tang <cpan@audreyt.org> and Djibril Ousmanou <djibel(a)cpan.org>. Neither this program nor the associated pp program impose any licensing restrictions on files generated by their execution, in accordance with the 8th article of the Artistic License: "Aggregation of this Package with a commercial distribution is always permitted provided that the use of this Package is embedded; that is, when no overt attempt is made to make this Package's interfaces visible to the end user of the commercial distribution. Such use shall not be construed as a distribution of this Package." Therefore, you are absolutely free to place any license on the resulting executable, as long as the packed 3rd-party libraries are also available under the Artistic License. This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. See <http://www.perl.com/perl/misc/Artistic.html> perl v5.18.2 2012-07-16 TKPP(1)
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