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Special Forums Windows & DOS: Issues & Discussions mapping FTP site as local drive Post 30737 by cerberusofhate on Saturday 26th of October 2002 04:41:38 AM
Old 10-26-2002
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Originally posted by auswipe


I call BS.

I have monitored traffic on a switched network by unplugging RJ45 and re-connecting into a hub and connecting hub to switch between two networks to monitor port usage. It is NOT impossible. Users could also get access to a mirrored port on the switch.



Then why use a protocol that sends passwords as cleartext to transfer data that is this important? Why not use scp or sftp? Is this FTP server accesable from the outside world? If so, what's to keep Ivan from sniffing out the cleartext from the outside?

But my real question is this: What is Win98 doing on a high-risk network? Isn't that a high-risk to begin with?

What's the stat? 80% of hacks come from inside the network with employees?


Physical access, while not impossible, would first result in loss of life first, or at least someone pointing a gun at my head. All cables, etc are within two rooms, one of them is deadbolted with a door lock (where I am), the other is in another room, where 1 cable leads to the server room. Explain to me how an employee is supposed to hook up a hub in there without my knowledge. Lets get realistic here. Also, the employees are all on the outside, with the exception of ONE employee, who is on the inside, and who knows less about hacking than your average brain-dead script kiddie. There are no mirrored ports on the switch. Yes, the FTP server is inaccessable from the outside, all employees use sftp from outside connections. The win98 machine is not a security threat, as it is behind a firewall, and on top of that, with iptables rules, no server or workstation can communicate to the Win98 machine. Thus, the win98 machine could even be unpatched for all I care. My main concern was the FTP server. Again, employees are not the risk here, as I am the only person with physical access to the switch, and the other person here is a brain-dead moron when it comes to anything other than how to scedule dates on their palm pilot, and to take telephone calls.


However, to humor you, if someone can get into the lightly secured office without my knowledge, and set up a hub in there also, what the hell is to stop them from just taking a gun and shooting the lock (or for the more dramatic, blowing a hole in the wall)? And if, *IF* there were more users, and say perhaps a hub or two, you would be damn sure that I would be setting the 98 machine up on the same switch as the FTP server, located in the server room. I may be paranoid, but to think that an employee who has U.S. government level security clearance would risk their job, their liberty, and their asses to own a win98 machine, or to steal their password, or to even root one of the Linux servers, that is going a bit far. I would consider the risk if it was civilians with nothing to lose, and we didnt prosecute, but our employees know better, with the type of info that we deal with.


As for the insecure win98 machine, yet again, it has *NO* ports open, so how the hell is someone going to cause a buffer overflow on a machine with no open ports. TCP/IP attacks, maybe, but like I said, the only system that can communicate with the 98 box is the FTP server. Not even the proxy is allowed to communicate to the win98 machine, as they have no need for surfing the net and what-not.

Last edited by cerberusofhate; 10-26-2002 at 05:54 AM..
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ftp(4)								   File Formats 							    ftp(4)

NAME
ftp - FTP client configuration file SYNOPSIS
/etc/default/ftp DESCRIPTION
Use the ftp file to configure the behavior of the FTP client. Lines that begin with a hash symbol ("# ") are treated as comment lines and are ignored. Behavior Directives The ftp file supports the following behavior directives: FTP_LS_SENDS_NLST=yes | no The ls command of the ftp client sends an NLST to the FTP Server by default. Several non-Solaris clients send LIST instead. In order to make the Solaris ftp client send LIST when the ls command is issued, set FTP_LS_SENDS_NLST to no. The value of FTP_LS_SENDS_NLST is yes by default. If the user sets a value for FTP_LS_SENDS_NLST in the user's environment, this value will override any FTP_LS_SENDS_NLST directive that is specified in /etc/default/ftp. ATTRIBUTES
See attributes(5) for descriptions of the following attributes: +-----------------------------+-----------------------------+ | ATTRIBUTE TYPE | ATTRIBUTE VALUE | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------+ |Availability |SUNWbipr | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------+ SEE ALSO
ftp(1), attributes(5) SunOS 5.10 22 Oct 2002 ftp(4)
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