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The Lounge What is on Your Mind? I'll probably never be the best in the field... Post 303032083 by wisecracker on Monday 11th of March 2019 05:10:32 AM
Old 03-11-2019
Hi Neo...
Brilliant!

Hi samthewildon...
(Apologies for typos, etc...)

I back everything Neo has said.
I am an amateur coder, I do it as a serious hobby, but when I first started coding it was on a Sinclair Spectrum using its default BASIC.
I had a Sharp MZ80K before that but its BASIC was convoluted, and initially put me off coding entirely.
However Sinclair BASIC was idiot proof, syntax errors were impossible as any line with one could not be entered directly or into a _script_.
This meant any errors were coding ones, mine and mine alone.

As an electronics engineer I decided to write a testcard program for the Spectrum, it took me a while but by trial and error I learnt things like, simple loops and decision statements. I wrote other testing snippets too for my professional work.
Well although it wasn't perfect it worked and this is what got me into hammering hardware, because drawing in the Spectrum's border was very, very limited in BASIC.
So I decided to learn Z80 assembly, I was told this was FAST, and it was a revelation. I bought a commercial assembly compiler, (by HiSoft).
It turned out that because of learning BASIC, Z80 assembly coding became second nature; and, the result being I started drawing inside the border crosshatch lines and colour bars.
This transformed my testcard and became my standard, FREE CRT alignment tool until I got my AMIGA which got me into ANSI C, a language I don't use much at all now.

I STILL code in BASIC in various platforms for quick and dirty stuff, as proof of concept for an idea.

I have coded serious stuff for the AMIGA, including an AudioScope with a full non-standard GUI which is probably my best piece of work and that was finished in 2001.
I was proficient in Python and a few other languages and all but abandoned them now in preference to UNIX shell scripting, although even after 6 years I am still only scratching at its surface as it is SOOO flexible.
When I joined in Jan 2013 I bragged about doing an AudioScope in text-mode shell scripting and it is still going on here, six years later.

SO, find something that you are interested in that requires software and start learning, words like mutable, immutable will appear in your vocabulary which I didn't know 15 years ago until I started with python. Python is a powerful language and has a library for just about EVERYTHING you need coding wise.

My pet love is coding stuff that a language was not designed to do and I have gotten the shell to do lots. I am now considering doing AudioScope in 'dash' but that might be a step too far with my POSIX compliance knowledge at present.

You do not need a maths and/or computer science doctorate, just an accepting mind and the ability to logically create code, BUT, most of all, patience and LOTS of practice.

Bazza...
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BRANDY(1)						      BBC BASIC V interpreter							 BRANDY(1)

NAME
brandy - a portable BBC BASIC V interpreter SYNOPSIS
brandy [-help] [-size SIZE] [-lib FILENAME] [-load FILENAME] [-path DIRECTORY[,DIRECTORY]...] [-quit FILENAME] [-chain FILENAME] [-ignore] [FILENAME] DESCRIPTION
Brandy is an interpreter for BBC BASIC V, the dialect of BASIC that Acorn Computers supplied with their ranges of desktop computers that use the ARM processor such as the Archimedes and Risc PC, and is still in use on these and compatibles. BASIC V is a much extended version of BBC BASIC. This was the BASIC used on the 6502-based BBC Micro that Acorn made during the 1980s. OPTIONS
-help Print a summary of these options. -size SIZE Set the size of the Basic workspace to SIZE bytes when starting the interpreter. The minimum size allowed is 10000 bytes and any- thing below this value will be set to it. The maximum size is limited only by the environment in which the program is being run. The size may have a suffix of k to denote that the size is in kilobytes or m if it is in megabytes. For example, -size 100k will set the workspace size to 100 kilobytes (102400 bytes) and -size 8m will set it to eight megabytes (8388608 bytes). -lib FILENAME Load Basic library FILENAME when the interpreter starts. This option can be repeated as many times as required to load a number of libraries. This is equivalent to typing INSTALL "FILENAME" at the interpreter's command line. The libraries are loaded in the order given on the command line. Note that the search order is the reverse of this. -load FILENAME Load Basic program FILENAME when the interpreter starts. -path DIRECTORY[,DIRECTORY]... This specifies a list of directories that the interpreter will search when looking for libraries and programs. The directory names are separated by commas. The pseudo-variable FILEPATH$ is set to this value. -quit FILENAME Load and run the Basic program FILENAME. Leave the interpreter when the program has finished running. -chain FILENAME Load and run the Basic program FILENAME. Remain in the interpreter when the program has finished running. -graphics Start the interpreter with the screen in graphics mode in versions of the program which support graphics and the screen can be in either text or graphics modes. -ignore Ignore certain `unsupported feature' errors. By default the interpreter reports an error whenever it comes across a BASIC V feature that it does not support. This option allows some unsupported features that do not affect the basic running of the program to be ignored. FILENAME This is exactly equivalent to -chain. The case of the names of the options is ignored. It depends on the operating system under which the interpreter is running as to whether the names of files are case sensitive or insensitive. FILES
brandy executable /usr/share/doc/brandy/examples example BASIC programs SEE ALSO
/usr/share/doc/brandy full documentation Brandy's home page http://jaguar.orpheusweb.co.uk/branpage.html There is some very useful documentation for the BBC Micro available on the Internet. One very good site is The BBC Lives! at: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/ or see http://sourceforge.net/projects/brandy/ AUTHOR
David Daniels, with contributions from Darren Salt and Colin Tuckley REPORTING BUGS
Report bugs to the bug tracker at http://sourceforge.net/projects/brandy COPYRIGHT
Copyright (c) 2000, 2001 David Daniels. Copyright (c) 2009, 2012 Colin Tuckley. This is free software; see the source for copying condi- tions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. brandy 1.20pre5 10 Jun 2012 BRANDY(1)
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