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The Lounge What is on Your Mind? I'll probably never be the best in the field... Post 303032083 by wisecracker on Monday 11th of March 2019 05:10:32 AM
Old 03-11-2019
Hi Neo...
Brilliant!

Hi samthewildon...
(Apologies for typos, etc...)

I back everything Neo has said.
I am an amateur coder, I do it as a serious hobby, but when I first started coding it was on a Sinclair Spectrum using its default BASIC.
I had a Sharp MZ80K before that but its BASIC was convoluted, and initially put me off coding entirely.
However Sinclair BASIC was idiot proof, syntax errors were impossible as any line with one could not be entered directly or into a _script_.
This meant any errors were coding ones, mine and mine alone.

As an electronics engineer I decided to write a testcard program for the Spectrum, it took me a while but by trial and error I learnt things like, simple loops and decision statements. I wrote other testing snippets too for my professional work.
Well although it wasn't perfect it worked and this is what got me into hammering hardware, because drawing in the Spectrum's border was very, very limited in BASIC.
So I decided to learn Z80 assembly, I was told this was FAST, and it was a revelation. I bought a commercial assembly compiler, (by HiSoft).
It turned out that because of learning BASIC, Z80 assembly coding became second nature; and, the result being I started drawing inside the border crosshatch lines and colour bars.
This transformed my testcard and became my standard, FREE CRT alignment tool until I got my AMIGA which got me into ANSI C, a language I don't use much at all now.

I STILL code in BASIC in various platforms for quick and dirty stuff, as proof of concept for an idea.

I have coded serious stuff for the AMIGA, including an AudioScope with a full non-standard GUI which is probably my best piece of work and that was finished in 2001.
I was proficient in Python and a few other languages and all but abandoned them now in preference to UNIX shell scripting, although even after 6 years I am still only scratching at its surface as it is SOOO flexible.
When I joined in Jan 2013 I bragged about doing an AudioScope in text-mode shell scripting and it is still going on here, six years later.

SO, find something that you are interested in that requires software and start learning, words like mutable, immutable will appear in your vocabulary which I didn't know 15 years ago until I started with python. Python is a powerful language and has a library for just about EVERYTHING you need coding wise.

My pet love is coding stuff that a language was not designed to do and I have gotten the shell to do lots. I am now considering doing AudioScope in 'dash' but that might be a step too far with my POSIX compliance knowledge at present.

You do not need a maths and/or computer science doctorate, just an accepting mind and the ability to logically create code, BUT, most of all, patience and LOTS of practice.

Bazza...
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PERLFAQ1(1)						 Perl Programmers Reference Guide					       PERLFAQ1(1)

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perlfaq1 - General Questions About Perl DESCRIPTION
This section of the FAQ answers very general, high-level questions about Perl. What is Perl? Perl is a high-level programming language with an eclectic heritage written by Larry Wall and a cast of thousands. Perl's process, file, and text manipulation facilities make it particularly well-suited for tasks involving quick prototyping, system utilities, software tools, system management tasks, database access, graphical programming, networking, and Web Development. Perl derives from the ubiquitous C programming language and to a lesser extent from sed, awk, the Unix shell, and many other tools and languages. These strengths make it especially popular with web developers and system administrators. Mathematicians, geneticists, journalists, managers and many other people also use Perl. Who supports Perl? Who develops it? Why is it free? The original culture of the pre-populist Internet and the deeply-held beliefs of Perl's author, Larry Wall, gave rise to the free and open distribution policy of Perl. Perl is supported by its users. The core, the standard Perl library, the optional modules, and the documentation you're reading now were all written by volunteers. The core development team (known as the Perl Porters) are a group of highly altruistic individuals committed to producing better software for free than you could hope to purchase for money. You may snoop on pending developments via the archives <http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/> or read the faq <http://dev.perl.org/perl5/docs/p5p-faq.html>, or you can subscribe to the mailing list by sending perl5-porters-subscribe@perl.org a subscription request (an empty message with no subject is fine). While the GNU project includes Perl in its distributions, there's no such thing as "GNU Perl". Perl is not produced nor maintained by the Free Software Foundation. Perl's licensing terms are also more open than GNU software's tend to be. You can get commercial support of Perl if you wish, although for most users the informal support will more than suffice. See the answer to "Where can I buy a commercial version of Perl?" for more information. Which version of Perl should I use? (contributed by brian d foy) There is often a matter of opinion and taste, and there isn't any one answer that fits everyone. In general, you want to use either the current stable release, or the stable release immediately prior to that one. Currently, those are perl5.14.x and perl5.12.x, respectively. Beyond that, you have to consider several things and decide which is best for you. o If things aren't broken, upgrading perl may break them (or at least issue new warnings). o The latest versions of perl have more bug fixes. o The Perl community is geared toward supporting the most recent releases, so you'll have an easier time finding help for those. o Versions prior to perl5.004 had serious security problems with buffer overflows, and in some cases have CERT advisories (for instance, http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1997-17.html <http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1997-17.html> ). o The latest versions are probably the least deployed and widely tested, so you may want to wait a few months after their release and see what problems others have if you are risk averse. o The immediate, previous releases (i.e. perl5.8.x ) are usually maintained for a while, although not at the same level as the current releases. o No one is actively supporting Perl 4. Ten years ago it was a dead camel carcass (according to this document). Now it's barely a skeleton as its whitewashed bones have fractured or eroded. o The current leading implementation of Perl 6, Rakudo, released a "useful, usable, 'early adopter'" distribution of Perl 6 (called Rakudo Star) in July of 2010. Please see <http://rakudo.org/> for more information. o There are really two tracks of perl development: a maintenance version and an experimental version. The maintenance versions are stable, and have an even number as the minor release (i.e. perl5.10.x, where 10 is the minor release). The experimental versions may include features that don't make it into the stable versions, and have an odd number as the minor release (i.e. perl5.9.x, where 9 is the minor release). What are Perl 4, Perl 5, or Perl 6? In short, Perl 4 is the parent to both Perl 5 and Perl 6. Perl 5 is the older sibling, and though they are different languages, someone who knows one will spot many similarities in the other. The number after Perl (i.e. the 5 after Perl 5) is the major release of the perl interpreter as well as the version of the language. Each major version has significant differences that earlier versions cannot support. The current major release of Perl is Perl 5, first released in 1994. It can run scripts from the previous major release, Perl 4 (March 1991), but has significant differences. Perl 6 is a reinvention of Perl, it is a language in the same lineage but not compatible. The two are complementary, not mutually exclusive. Perl 6 is not meant to replace Perl 5, and vice versa. See "What is Perl 6?" below to find out more. See perlhist for a history of Perl revisions. What is Perl 6? Perl 6 was originally described as the community's rewrite of Perl 5. Development started in 2002; syntax and design work continue to this day. 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Production releases, which incorporate bug fixes and new functionality, are widely tested before release. Since the 5.000 release, we have averaged about one production release per year. The Perl development team occasionally make changes to the internal core of the language, but all possible efforts are made toward backward compatibility. Is Perl difficult to learn? No, Perl is easy to start learning <http://learn.perl.org/> --and easy to keep learning. It looks like most programming languages you're likely to have experience with, so if you've ever written a C program, an awk script, a shell script, or even a BASIC program, you're already partway there. Most tasks only require a small subset of the Perl language. One of the guiding mottos for Perl development is "there's more than one way to do it" (TMTOWTDI, sometimes pronounced "tim toady"). Perl's learning curve is therefore shallow (easy to learn) and long (there's a whole lot you can do if you really want). Finally, because Perl is frequently (but not always, and certainly not by definition) an interpreted language, you can write your programs and test them without an intermediate compilation step, allowing you to experiment and test/debug quickly and easily. This ease of experimentation flattens the learning curve even more. Things that make Perl easier to learn: Unix experience, almost any kind of programming experience, an understanding of regular expressions, and the ability to understand other people's code. If there's something you need to do, then it's probably already been done, and a working example is usually available for free. Don't forget Perl modules, either. They're discussed in Part 3 of this FAQ, along with CPAN <http://www.cpan.org/>, which is discussed in Part 2. How does Perl compare with other languages like Java, Python, REXX, Scheme, or Tcl? Perl can be used for almost any coding problem, even ones which require integrating specialist C code for extra speed. As with any tool it can be used well or badly. Perl has many strengths, and a few weaknesses, precisely which areas are good and bad is often a personal choice. When choosing a language you should also be influenced by the resources <http://www.cpan.org/>, testing culture <http://www.cpantesters.org/> and community <http://www.perl.org/community.html> which surrounds it. For comparisons to a specific language it is often best to create a small project in both languages and compare the results, make sure to use all the resources <http://www.cpan.org/> of each language, as a language is far more than just it's syntax. Can I do [task] in Perl? Perl is flexible and extensible enough for you to use on virtually any task, from one-line file-processing tasks to large, elaborate systems. For many people, Perl serves as a great replacement for shell scripting. For others, it serves as a convenient, high-level replacement for most of what they'd program in low-level languages like C or C++. It's ultimately up to you (and possibly your management) which tasks you'll use Perl for and which you won't. If you have a library that provides an API, you can make any component of it available as just another Perl function or variable using a Perl extension written in C or C++ and dynamically linked into your main perl interpreter. You can also go the other direction, and write your main program in C or C++, and then link in some Perl code on the fly, to create a powerful application. See perlembed. That said, there will always be small, focused, special-purpose languages dedicated to a specific problem domain that are simply more convenient for certain kinds of problems. Perl tries to be all things to all people, but nothing special to anyone. Examples of specialized languages that come to mind include prolog and matlab. When shouldn't I program in Perl? One good reason is when you already have an existing application written in another language that's all done (and done well), or you have an application language specifically designed for a certain task (e.g. prolog, make). If you find that you need to speed up a specific part of a Perl application (not something you often need) you may want to use C, but you can access this from your Perl code with perlxs. What's the difference between "perl" and "Perl"? "Perl" is the name of the language. Only the "P" is capitalized. The name of the interpreter (the program which runs the Perl script) is "perl" with a lowercase "p". You may or may not choose to follow this usage. But never write "PERL", because perl is not an acronym. What is a JAPH? (contributed by brian d foy) JAPH stands for "Just another Perl hacker,", which Randal Schwartz used to sign email and usenet messages starting in the late 1980s. He previously used the phrase with many subjects ("Just another x hacker,"), so to distinguish his JAPH, he started to write them as Perl programs: print "Just another Perl hacker,"; Other people picked up on this and started to write clever or obfuscated programs to produce the same output, spinning things quickly out of control while still providing hours of amusement for their creators and readers. CPAN has several JAPH programs at <http://www.cpan.org/misc/japh>. How can I convince others to use Perl? (contributed by brian d foy) Appeal to their self interest! If Perl is new (and thus scary) to them, find something that Perl can do to solve one of their problems. That might mean that Perl either saves them something (time, headaches, money) or gives them something (flexibility, power, testability). In general, the benefit of a language is closely related to the skill of the people using that language. If you or your team can be faster, better, and stronger through Perl, you'll deliver more value. Remember, people often respond better to what they get out of it. If you run into resistance, figure out what those people get out of the other choice and how Perl might satisfy that requirement. You don't have to worry about finding or paying for Perl; it's freely available and several popular operating systems come with Perl. Community support in places such as Perlmonks ( <http://www.perlmonks.com> ) and the various Perl mailing lists ( <http://lists.perl.org> ) means that you can usually get quick answers to your problems. Finally, keep in mind that Perl might not be the right tool for every job. You're a much better advocate if your claims are reasonable and grounded in reality. Dogmatically advocating anything tends to make people discount your message. Be honest about possible disadvantages to your choice of Perl since any choice has trade-offs. You might find these links useful: o <http://www.perl.org/about.html> o <http://perltraining.com.au/whyperl.html> AUTHOR AND COPYRIGHT
Copyright (c) 1997-2010 Tom Christiansen, Nathan Torkington, and other authors as noted. All rights reserved. This documentation is free; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. Irrespective of its distribution, all code examples here are in the public domain. You are permitted and encouraged to use this code and any derivatives thereof in your own programs for fun or for profit as you see fit. A simple comment in the code giving credit to the FAQ would be courteous but is not required. perl v5.16.3 2013-03-04 PERLFAQ1(1)
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