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Top Forums Shell Programming and Scripting Discussion: use "/usr/bin/env" or not Post 302973156 by drl on Sunday 15th of May 2016 12:08:28 PM
Old 05-15-2016
Discussion: use "/usr/bin/env" or not

Hi.

In thread Date Format Problem , Aia and I were discussing the usefulness of using #!/usr/bin/env bash (or ksh, or perl, or ...) as the shebang line. The exchange was good, but it was getting beyond the scope or the thread, so I decided to continue it here.

My preference is in favor of using it, while Aia wrote:
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Originally Posted by Aia
Nothing bits knowing the targets you are coding for. env can have the same problem that you are trying to solve, the binary could be in different location in different OSes. Also, it increases the risk of selecting the wrong interpreter, since it looks in each directory in the path, choosing the first one that it finds.
and

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aia
A casual perusing of the wikipidia entry for Shebang (Unix) shows a couple examples of systems that do not have an /usr/bin/env , under the portability subtitle.
My reply to this is that in that same Wikipedia link, we see:
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Often, the program /usr/bin/env can be used to circumvent this limitation [that is: Even when systems have fairly standard paths, it is quite possible for variants of the same operating system to have different locations for the desired interpreter] by introducing a level of indirection. #! is followed by /usr/bin/env, followed by the desired command without full path ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheban...29#Portability
The exceptions noted in that Wikipedia article are:
Code:
There are still some portability issues with OpenServer 5.0.6 and Unicos 9.0.2 which have only /bin/env and no /usr/bin/env.

To which I say, if someone is porting to such earlier SCO or Cray OSs (or even to current implementations), they probably will have many more troubles than just the shebang line. Researchers don't usually run just shell scripts on Cray, etc. machines, they run very large, complex codes. The number of people using such machines are far in the minority compared to the other systems I mentioned in an earlier post.

(If it has been noted that I am from Minnesota, one might speculate that I have some connection with Unicos on Cray computers. Indeed I worked at the University of Minnesota and the associated Minnesota Supercomputer Center for about 25 years. We handled really big iron. If memory serves, when I left MSC, we had 3 Crays, an ETA-10, a Thinking Machines CM-2 (32K single-bit processors, ganged together to 1000 processors, SIMD), a TMC CM-5 (MIMD), a pair of 6-CPU IBM 3090s t(ied together through some very large memory accessory), and probably some other gear I have forgotten.

I live now in the suburbs, but even so, I live within walking distance to at least 5 colleagues who worked at Cray or MSC or both, including one who is a co-author of O'Reilly's bash Cookbook, from where I got the env shebang idea. It is worth noting that in that book one can find:
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If your system does not have env in /usr/bin, ask your system administrator to install it, move it, or create a symbolic link because that is the required location. https://books.google.com/books?id=06...in/env&f=false
)

In summary, my conclusion is that #!/usr/bin/env is a very good solution to the problem of portability among the many environments that I often encounter, but to each their own.

Best wishes ... cheers, drl

Last edited by drl; 05-15-2016 at 01:17 PM..
 

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