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Top Forums Web Development Storing Passwords Post 302928987 by jim mcnamara on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 05:24:40 PM
Old 12-16-2014
Source code gives them where the keys are stored, if they can get to code.

The point is not any of the above. Where do you store the key to decrypt the half-key?
This is a logical fallacy. It is called circular reasoning. I need a key to decrypt a key. I still have to store that secondary key somewhere, or the system will have to regenerate it. Regenerate means I can see it in the source. Storage means it is a sitting duck, unencrypted.

I agree that simply having the algorithm and knowing the block cipher is not a complete solution, but the logic behind this needs some work. Having the source also means shell code or another crack is now a possibility.

There is far more to security than passwords. We have a large number of fairly insecure old unpatchable windows servers. They have many known exploits. They are pretty safe.

Why? Because getting to them externally is really hard, you have to hack several external software and physical barriers to get at them. But they could be trashed by an internal employee easily. So we have to have trust somewhere. ROI.
 

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ENCRYPT(2)							System Calls Manual							ENCRYPT(2)

NAME
encrypt, decrypt, netcrypt - DES encryption SYNOPSIS
#include <u.h> #include <libc.h> int encrypt(void *key, void *data, int len) int decrypt(void *key, void *data, int len) int netcrypt(void *key, void *data) DESCRIPTION
Encrypt and decrypt perform DES encryption and decryption. Key is an array of DESKEYLEN (defined as 7 in <auth.h>) bytes containing the encryption key. Data is an array of len bytes; it must be at least 8 bytes long. The bytes are encrypted or decrypted in place. The DES algorithm encrypts an individual 8 byte block of data. Encrypt uses the following method to encrypt data longer than 8 bytes. The first 8 bytes are encrypted as usual. The last byte of the encrypted result is prefixed to the next 7 unencrypted bytes to make the next 8 bytes to encrypt. This is repeated until fewer than 7 bytes remain unencrypted. Any remaining unencrypted bytes are encrypted with enough of the preceding encrypted bytes to make a full 8 byte block. Decrypt uses the inverse algorithm. Netcrypt performs the same encryption as a SecureNet Key. Data points to an ASCII string of decimal digits with numeric value between 0 and 10000. These digits are copied into an 8 byte buffer with trailing binary zero fill and encrypted as one DES block. The first four bytes are each formatted as two digit ASCII hexadecimal numbers, and the string is copied into data. SOURCE
/sys/src/libc/port DIAGNOSTICS
These routines return 1 if the data was encrypted, and 0 if the encryption fails. Encrypt and decrypt fail if the data passed is less than 8 bytes long. Netcrypt can fail if it is passed invalid data. SEE ALSO
securenet(8) BUGS
The source is not included in public distributions. The implementation is broken in a way that makes it unsuitable for anything but authentication. ENCRYPT(2)
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