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Top Forums Web Development Storing Passwords Post 302928987 by jim mcnamara on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 05:24:40 PM
Old 12-16-2014
Source code gives them where the keys are stored, if they can get to code.

The point is not any of the above. Where do you store the key to decrypt the half-key?
This is a logical fallacy. It is called circular reasoning. I need a key to decrypt a key. I still have to store that secondary key somewhere, or the system will have to regenerate it. Regenerate means I can see it in the source. Storage means it is a sitting duck, unencrypted.

I agree that simply having the algorithm and knowing the block cipher is not a complete solution, but the logic behind this needs some work. Having the source also means shell code or another crack is now a possibility.

There is far more to security than passwords. We have a large number of fairly insecure old unpatchable windows servers. They have many known exploits. They are pretty safe.

Why? Because getting to them externally is really hard, you have to hack several external software and physical barriers to get at them. But they could be trashed by an internal employee easily. So we have to have trust somewhere. ROI.
 

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DES(3pm)						User Contributed Perl Documentation						  DES(3pm)

NAME
Crypt::DES - Perl DES encryption module SYNOPSIS
use Crypt::DES; DESCRIPTION
The module implements the Crypt::CBC interface, which has the following methods blocksize =item keysize =item encrypt =item decrypt FUNCTIONS
blocksize Returns the size (in bytes) of the block cipher. keysize Returns the size (in bytes) of the key. Optimal size is 8 bytes. new my $cipher = new Crypt::DES $key; This creates a new Crypt::DES BlockCipher object, using $key, where $key is a key of "keysize()" bytes. encrypt my $cipher = new Crypt::DES $key; my $ciphertext = $cipher->encrypt($plaintext); This function encrypts $plaintext and returns the $ciphertext where $plaintext and $ciphertext should be of "blocksize()" bytes. decrypt my $cipher = new Crypt::DES $key; my $plaintext = $cipher->decrypt($ciphertext); This function decrypts $ciphertext and returns the $plaintext where $plaintext and $ciphertext should be of "blocksize()" bytes. EXAMPLE
my $key = pack("H16", "0123456789ABCDEF"); my $cipher = new Crypt::DES $key; my $ciphertext = $cipher->encrypt("plaintex"); # NB - 8 bytes print unpack("H16", $ciphertext), " "; NOTES
Do note that DES only uses 8 byte keys and only works on 8 byte data blocks. If you're intending to encrypt larger blocks or entire files, please use Crypt::CBC in conjunction with this module. See the Crypt::CBC documentation for proper syntax and use. Also note that the DES algorithm is, by today's standard, weak encryption. Crypt::Blowfish is highly recommended if you're interested in using strong encryption and a faster algorithm. SEE ALSO
Crypt::Blowfish Crypt::IDEA Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography, 1995, Second Edition, published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc. COPYRIGHT
The implementation of the DES algorithm was developed by, and is copyright of, Eric Young (eay@mincom.oz.au). Other parts of the perl extension and module are copyright of Systemics Ltd ( http://www.systemics.com/ ). Cross-platform work and packaging for single algorithm distribution is copyright of W3Works, LLC. MAINTAINER
This single-algorithm package and cross-platform code is maintained by Dave Paris <amused@pobox.com>. perl v5.14.2 2005-12-08 DES(3pm)
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