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Top Forums UNIX for Advanced & Expert Users What's your most useful shell? Post 302507605 by Corona688 on Thursday 24th of March 2011 10:13:42 AM
Old 03-24-2011
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Originally Posted by tetsujin
It's conceptually the same operation whether $fd is a numeric file descriptor or some "special file descriptor object".
Maybe it's "conceptionally" the same but it's not actually the same. That's kind of more important.
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You know, I'm not placing too high a priority on backward compatibility here. If people have existing code that works with an existing shell, they can go on using that code with the shell it was written for. I wouldn't expect code written for bash to run perfectly in ksh, either.
But code written for the Bourne shell ought to and does work in any of them -- but might not work in your "shell" because your extensions break compatibility with basic, basic, basic Bourne shell features. Pick something else.
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That said, I don't see how my idea breaks anything.
It changes the meaning of existing code and existing variables, that's how. Even worse, it does it implicitly. It also completely changes the language from a weakly typed one into some bizarre mixture of weak and strong types.

Perl has a lot of advantages but the way it handles variables can be quite annoying. Try and print something and get ARRAY0x00000000 all over the place because you forgot what type your variable was, or some fancy library's documentation forgot to tell you what to expect, but because the language was derived from the weakly-typed AWK language there's mechanisms in place to bonk you on the head when you use a list as an array or a hash as a reference or etc etc etc. Imagine that in a shell. Current shells do a fairly good job of combining everything under the umbrella of "string". If you start adding variables that have no sensible meanings as strings, a Perl-like mess is what you get.
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...But explicitly numbered FDs for files opened in the shell aren't really that valuable a feature anyway.
It's one of the most important features of the shell and a fundamental part of how inter-process communication works in a shell. It's very powerful even if you don't think you need it. If you don't want it, you don't have to use a shell language.

I don't think you're really reading what I'm writing here.

Last edited by Corona688; 03-24-2011 at 11:23 AM..
 

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shells(4)							   File Formats 							 shells(4)

NAME
shells - shell database SYNOPSIS
/etc/shells DESCRIPTION
The shells file contains a list of the shells on the system. Applications use this file to determine whether a shell is valid. See getuser- shell(3C). For each shell a single line should be present, consisting of the shell's path, relative to root. A hash mark (#) indicates the beginning of a comment; subsequent characters up to the end of the line are not interpreted by the routines which search the file. Blank lines are also ignored. The following default shells are used by utilities: /bin/bash, /bin/csh, /bin/jsh, /bin/ksh, /bin/pfcsh, /bin/pfksh, /bin/pfsh, /bin/sh, /bin/tcsh, /bin/zsh, /sbin/jsh, /sbin/sh, /usr/bin/bash, /usr/bin/csh, /usr/bin/jsh, /usr/bin/ksh, /usr/bin/pfcsh, /usr/bin/pfksh, /usr/bin/pfsh, and /usr/bin/sh, /usr/bin/tcsh, /usr/bin/zsh. Note that /etc/shells overrides the default list. Invalid shells in /etc/shells may cause unexpected behavior (such as being unable to log in by way of ftp(1)). FILES
/etc/shells lists shells on system SEE ALSO
vipw(1B), ftpd(1M), sendmail(1M), getusershell(3C), aliases(4) SunOS 5.10 4 Jun 2001 shells(4)
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