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Top Forums UNIX for Advanced & Expert Users Finding process id of subsequent process Post 302368275 by matrixmadhan on Thursday 5th of November 2009 12:57:50 AM
Old 11-05-2009
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Originally Posted by thmnetwork
Unless you expect the first script to finish within a second or two, frans's solution is fine.
That needed not be the case, and the solution that am trying for is some generic solution

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Also, if you added a lock file that gets deleted when the process ends, can't you use the same script that creates the lock file to create it with the pid in the lock file's name?
A lock file with pid in it isn't really making any difference here, just a running number to keep track of the active child count should do and that is what i had done for now

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Alternative concepts could be to have envVarSetter write the pid of the child and any other useful info to its parent process's read pipe.

Alternatively, you could look through children of init for processes of that name that began a within a second or two of the script's initial running.

etc, etc. There are a lot of possibilities.
Again an important point is being missed out here,
say at t1 the main script spawns a process p1 and is adopted by init at the same time t1, another script with the same name can be spawned and become the child of the init

In a busy node, all these considerations should be dealt well, else there would be confusion as to who is the parent of whom

-- many thanks for the suggestions

---------- Post updated 11-05-09 at 11:27 AM ---------- Previous update was 11-04-09 at 11:34 PM ----------

Now I have an improved way to prevent the hack of spoofing child creation instance by adding new files at least to an extent.

Instead of writing the active child number spawned, write a random number to the file and maintain that in an internal hash. When checking for the existence of file as a synonym that is indicating whether a process is running or not, search for the entry in the file and compare it against the internal hash that is built with this values. With this, spoof of child creating by just touching files can be avoided.

I don't want to write the pid because effectively we are writing the PPID and not PID which should be avoided.
 

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fork(2) 							System Calls Manual							   fork(2)

Name
       fork - create a new process

Syntax
       #include <sys/types.h>
       #include <unistd.h>

       pid = fork()
       pid_t pid;

Description
       The  system  call causes creation of a new process.  The new process (child process) is an exact copy of the calling process except for the
       following:

       o    The child process has a unique process ID.

       o    The child process has a different parent process ID (that is, the process ID of the parent process).

       o    The child process has its own copy of the parent's descriptors.  These descriptors reference the same underlying objects, so that, for
	    instance,  file  pointers  in file objects are shared between the child and the parent, so that a on a descriptor in the child process
	    can affect a subsequent read or write by the parent.  This descriptor copying is also used by the shell to	establish  standard  input
	    and output for newly created processes as well as to set up pipes.

       o    The child processes resource utilizations are set to 0.  For further information, see

Return Values
       Upon  successful  completion,  returns  a  value  of  0	to the child process and returns the process ID of the child process to the parent
       process.  Otherwise, a value of -1 is returned to the parent process, no child process is created, and the global variable errno is set	to
       indicate the error.

Diagnostics
       The system call fails and no child process are created under the following conditions:

       [EAGAIN]       The system-imposed limit {PROC_MAX} on the total number of processes under execution would be exceeded.

       [EAGAIN]       The system-imposed limit {CHILD_MAX} on the total number of processes under execution by a single user would be exceeded.

       [ENOMEM]       There is insufficient swap space for the new process.

See Also
       execve(2), wait(2)

																	   fork(2)
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