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Operating Systems Linux Red Hat CentOS and XP dualboot + ext3/ntfs mount Post 302332474 by mark54g on Thursday 9th of July 2009 08:21:31 AM
Old 07-09-2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by svanslyck
Who said I didn't want to learn something new? What I was complaining about was not the OS but the fact that internet resources about *nix assume a level of sophistication few newbies have. I don't have any complaints about the OS's paradigm but about the instructions I'm finding on the net. Your message is the first one I've seen that explains what sda means, for example. Another example - a four paragraph description of PROMPT_COMMAND that says virtually nothing about it at all.
Svan,

My comment was not an attack on you or whether you particularly wanted to use Linux. However, you are not the first person who has come up with questions, got frustrated and then started to get annoyed with the situation. It is understandable, but in many cases, it ends up becoming a flame war of opinions.

There's nothing wrong with saying "Look, I thought I could do XYZ, I can't, so I am not going to stick it out." Each person has their own threshold for grief, and yes, changing operating systems can be grief. While I think that *Nix has a better way of doing things, if you don't know that way it makes a simple task difficult.

As you are a technical writer, I would recommend that instead of getting a "For Dummies" book, which will probably teach you just enough to get to a point before you want to be, take a look at RUTE's guide:
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It will expand in most browsers and give you a good reference for starting out, though, please realize, it is dated and some information may be old and less useful or even wrong, the basics should be there.

I have had many conversations from people who have been using Windows or another OS for many years, and I myself started that way, and was even a Windows System Admin for several years before really understanding how Unix/Linux can be a more powerful tool. Before Power Shell (still know few people who use it on Windows) there was really only cmd/dos prompt syntax for doing things.

Now, when I was creating users for my network (don't ask, they demand islands of isolation so no central system) I did the following:

for i in <system1> <system2> <system3> <system4>
do
ssh $i "useradd -u <userid> <groupid> <secondary groupid> -m -k /etc/skel -d <home directory> -s <shell> -c <comment> <user>"
done

where the items in the <>s were the info. That made my user on 4 systems without having to do it 4 times

There's a lot of power there and Linux can be VERY user friendly, just not intuitive. Once you understand it, its like the handcuffs come off and you are way more powerful at doing the same jobs.

Last edited by otheus; 07-09-2009 at 11:20 AM.. Reason: redacted link to pirated? ebook? gz format
 

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shell-quote [switch]... arg... DESCRIPTION
shell-quote lets you pass arbitrary strings through the shell so that they won't be changed by the shell. This lets you process commands or files with embedded white space or shell globbing characters safely. Here are a few examples. EXAMPLES
ssh preserving args When running a remote command with ssh, ssh doesn't preserve the separate arguments it receives. It just joins them with spaces and passes them to "$SHELL -c". This doesn't work as intended: ssh host touch 'hi there' # fails It creates 2 files, hi and there. Instead, do this: cmd=`shell-quote touch 'hi there'` ssh host "$cmd" This gives you just 1 file, hi there. process find output It's not ordinarily possible to process an arbitrary list of files output by find with a shell script. Anything you put in $IFS to split up the output could legitimately be in a file's name. Here's how you can do it using shell-quote: eval set -- `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shell-quote --` debug shell scripts shell-quote is better than echo for debugging shell scripts. debug() { [ -z "$debug" ] || shell-quote "debug:" "$@" } With echo you can't tell the difference between "debug 'foo bar'" and "debug foo bar", but with shell-quote you can. save a command for later shell-quote can be used to build up a shell command to run later. Say you want the user to be able to give you switches for a command you're going to run. If you don't want the switches to be re-evaluated by the shell (which is usually a good idea, else there are things the user can't pass through), you can do something like this: user_switches= while [ $# != 0 ] do case x$1 in x--pass-through) [ $# -gt 1 ] || die "need an argument for $1" user_switches="$user_switches "`shell-quote -- "$2"` shift;; # process other switches esac shift done # later eval "shell-quote some-command $user_switches my args" OPTIONS
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