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Operating Systems Linux Red Hat CentOS and XP dualboot + ext3/ntfs mount Post 302332313 by svanslyck on Wednesday 8th of July 2009 05:26:36 PM
Old 07-08-2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mark54g
Perhaps Linux is not for you. If you don't want to learn something new, why are you using something you are unfamiliar with? Linux and UNIX are not "Windows but free" they are different tools with different paradigms for doing things. *** Again, if you choose to learn about this, you will have a more pleasant experience using the operating system than if you just choose to butt heads with it and complain about it.
Who said I didn't want to learn something new? What I was complaining about was not the OS but the fact that internet resources about *nix assume a level of sophistication few newbies have. I don't have any complaints about the OS's paradigm but about the instructions I'm finding on the net. Your message is the first one I've seen that explains what sda means, for example. Another example - a four paragraph description of PROMPT_COMMAND that says virtually nothing about it at all.

As a technical writer, I perhaps judge too harshly, especially in terms of people who were kind enough to share their own experiences, and I recognize that. But certainly I'm allowed to blow off steam when I see the same question posted in many places and no real answers.

All I ask is understanding that some of us - especially at first - need to be told, "Approach the light. If it is red, stop before the stop bar. If it is green, proceed through. If it turns yellow while you can still stop safely, then stop. If it turns yellow but you've already crossed the stop bar, or you cannot stop safely, proceed through with caution and watch in your mirror in case the policeman disagrees with your decision. Do not in any case make contact with anything other than the road...."

We were all new once. At work, I am the person who must constantly respond to, "Help, my computer did something," in response to which I try to help my users help themselves. I'm not afraid to learn, or to teach, but, like everyone, I get frustrated too, especially when stuff happens contrary to documentation (like my version of bash seeing no difference between PS1=\W and PS1=\w).

The good news is that I'm now 150 pages further along in Linux for Dummies and - hopefully - getting a little less stoopid all the time.

Thank to everyone for the explanations - they were quite helpful and I am happily booting CentOS using Window's boot.ini to present the OS choices.

---------- Post updated at 05:26 PM ---------- Previous update was at 05:21 PM ----------

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Originally Posted by otheus
It's actually 440, but 512 won't hurt in this case. You copy those bytes from the boot disk that you careated through the CentOS process, right?
Do I have to boot via the CentOS Live CD in order to copy those bytes? Or can I just run dd from a bash prompt while using the system itself?
 

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NAME
shell-quote - quote arguments for safe use, unmodified in a shell command SYNOPSIS
shell-quote [switch]... arg... DESCRIPTION
shell-quote lets you pass arbitrary strings through the shell so that they won't be changed by the shell. This lets you process commands or files with embedded white space or shell globbing characters safely. Here are a few examples. EXAMPLES
ssh preserving args When running a remote command with ssh, ssh doesn't preserve the separate arguments it receives. It just joins them with spaces and passes them to "$SHELL -c". This doesn't work as intended: ssh host touch 'hi there' # fails It creates 2 files, hi and there. Instead, do this: cmd=`shell-quote touch 'hi there'` ssh host "$cmd" This gives you just 1 file, hi there. process find output It's not ordinarily possible to process an arbitrary list of files output by find with a shell script. Anything you put in $IFS to split up the output could legitimately be in a file's name. Here's how you can do it using shell-quote: eval set -- `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shell-quote --` debug shell scripts shell-quote is better than echo for debugging shell scripts. debug() { [ -z "$debug" ] || shell-quote "debug:" "$@" } With echo you can't tell the difference between "debug 'foo bar'" and "debug foo bar", but with shell-quote you can. save a command for later shell-quote can be used to build up a shell command to run later. Say you want the user to be able to give you switches for a command you're going to run. If you don't want the switches to be re-evaluated by the shell (which is usually a good idea, else there are things the user can't pass through), you can do something like this: user_switches= while [ $# != 0 ] do case x$1 in x--pass-through) [ $# -gt 1 ] || die "need an argument for $1" user_switches="$user_switches "`shell-quote -- "$2"` shift;; # process other switches esac shift done # later eval "shell-quote some-command $user_switches my args" OPTIONS
--debug Turn debugging on. --help Show the usage message and die. --version Show the version number and exit. AVAILABILITY
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