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The Lounge What is on Your Mind? Sorry for ranting again Post 302151061 by bakunin on Thursday 13th of December 2007 01:47:46 PM
Old 12-13-2007
Sorry for ranting again

I have to admit - sometimes i just show the fact that i have nerves for all to see. When this happens i usually go off on some rant summing up a lot of frustrating encounters in one (more or less) coherent diatribe.

Consider the following thread: https://www.unix.com/shell-programmin...#post302150976

No, the subject of the thread doesn't matter. My suspicion that i did homework again doesn't matter either. What do people coming here asking for help *think* we are? Freaks? Like in
But use proper English, you're regarded as a freak
Oh why can't the English
Why can't the English
Learn to speak!
(My Fair Lady, Why can't the English...)
I am well aware that my English is far from being "proper". I can offer as an apology only that i strive. What really gives me the creeps is the unconcern - attitude is the key. Unix has (had?) unlike many other OSes, a strong cultural "binding". You just don't do some things which are possible and you do other things, even if they are hard and cumbersome.

One of these "do"s is you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you have at least tried. Have tried and have failed and you are just another colleague in need - have not even tried and you are a luser. This is what i was "raised" with. Is it just me or is this tradition rapidly breaking away? Has it ever been there or is this "culture" only the imagination of my brain anxious to keep fond memories of some "good old days" which, in the form they are remembered, never have been?

Maybe i'm just facing a break in this cultural tradition and my reaction is not so much indignation but in fact angst. Maybe I am just getting old and in a dither and do not keep up any more with my quickly changing environment.

To be honest i don't know. Still i like to ponder and sometimes i like to rant. Your thoughts are welcome.

bakunin
 
TALK(1) 						    BSD General Commands Manual 						   TALK(1)

NAME
talk -- talk to another user SYNOPSIS
talk person [ttyname] DESCRIPTION
The talk utility is a visual communication program which copies lines from your terminal to that of another user. Options available: person If you wish to talk to someone on your own machine, then person is just the person's login name. If you wish to talk to a user on another host, then person is of the form 'user@host' or 'host!user' or 'host:user'. ttyname If you wish to talk to a user who is logged in more than once, the ttyname argument may be used to indicate the appropriate terminal name, where ttyname is of the form 'ttyXX'. When first called, talk sends the message Message from TalkDaemon@his_machine... talk: connection requested by your_name@your_machine. talk: respond with: talk your_name@your_machine to the user you wish to talk to. At this point, the recipient of the message should reply by typing talk your_name@your_machine It does not matter from which machine the recipient replies, as long as his login-name is the same. Once communication is established, the two parties may type simultaneously, with their output appearing in separate windows. Typing control-L '^L' will cause the screen to be reprinted. Typing control-D '^D' will clear both parts of your screen to be cleared, while the control-D character will be sent to the remote side (and just displayed by this talk client). Your erase, kill, and word kill characters will behave normally. To exit, just type your interrupt character; talk then moves the cursor to the bottom of the screen and restores the terminal to its previous state. Permission to talk may be denied or granted by use of the mesg(1) command. At the outset talking is allowed. CONFIGURATION
The talk utility relies on the talkd system daemon. See talkd(8) for information about enabling talkd. FILES
/etc/hosts to find the recipient's machine /var/run/utmpx to find the recipient's tty SEE ALSO
mail(1), mesg(1), wall(1), who(1), write(1), talkd(8) HISTORY
The talk command appeared in 4.2BSD. In FreeBSD 5.3, the default behaviour of talk was changed to treat local-to-local talk requests as originating and terminating at localhost. Before this change, it was required that the hostname (as per gethostname(3)) resolved to a valid IPv4 address (via gethostbyname(3)), making talk unsuitable for use in configurations where talkd(8) was bound to the loopback interface (normally for security reasons). BUGS
The version of talk released with 4.3BSD uses a protocol that is incompatible with the protocol used in the version released with 4.2BSD. Multibyte characters are not recognized. BSD
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