Yes, we have a fairly tolerant site manager and lan admin (i'm backup company lan administrator and the manager/administrator of the unix/linux/gould systems). WE've gotten a few backdoor viruses and lots of email ones, one was attached to an internal web site for some reason, can't figure that one out yet, on our main server but the ip is open only to internal users!. We are slowly educating ppl on viruses, attachments. We use lotus notes and winxp but we have a few bad apples in teh bunch that are constantly downloading movies, music, games etc. So far the boss has been pretty tolerant but he's about at the point he's going to cut off internet to most workers. I wish he would, would cause less headaches for some of us. We've had a couple of hard drives wiped out just this last month supposedly thanks to viruses. Irritating and definitely causes downtime and problems. Most of our browsing/internet is all on XP computers, the unix/linux is internal and for development, needs to be secure from viruses and safe so no access out, so its more that I use the windows to get the proper files i need for unix/linux and then move them over to the unix/linux boxes as needed. SO just wanted a warm fuzzy on security of some of the main/official web sites. I appreciate the comments, thanks!