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# 8  
Old 10-19-2009
Ok for most people who need more IT than IBM and MS do provide

This merger is a good thing in my opinion.
Here is why:
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Monopoly-like dominancies in IT market are our reality today.

If you open your eyes, you will see, that you do not have the choice
between OpenSource everywhere and some commercial IT companies.
Not in commercial IT (which is where IT industry gets the money from,
to pay for research and development).

You only have the choice between N big companies or N+1.
I always prefer N+1, because every new big player against IBM and Microsoft (or HP in the server market) is welcome.

Without the merger it will be N-1 (Sun will not survive).

I think the example of DEC should be a warning to us all. The formerly most innovative IT company has been sold to a
boring PC vendor (Compaq) which in turn has been sold to an even more boring convenience store (HP).
The result is that IT customers choose mostly between IBM, HP only in server market and between MS and IBM in appserver market and so on.

This is not enough, because thus the best or most innovative products are rarely choosen.
No boost of knowledge, no further development, and so on.
Like these Windows Desktops, everywhere you look.

Last edited by digits; 10-19-2009 at 12:45 PM.. Reason: typos
# 9  
Old 10-19-2009
To simply GIVE UP and declare that all business, large or small, should cash in to aid the very few remaining mega-monopolies is simply un-American. I like small business and still believe in innovation. Simply said, Sun GAVE UP. They didn't even try to make it... they were tired and the high execs cashed in. Remember, NOBODY else at Sun actually benefits from this move... not the employees, not the customers... nobody.

So... what about Wall St.? Oddly enough, this benefits only a small percentage as well. Sun has lost over 75% of its valuation due to McNealy and Schwrtz... basically, the investors were apparently told a story... they bought that story... that story was not true, and now they simply want out with a little bit of their original investment... but it's likely that everyone is pretty upset. People are lazy, I believe it they were not lazy, they might not have rubber stamped the deal from Oracle.

Sun is dead... Sun technology is dead... and Larry now has my next vote for next CEO failure. We'll see, but I think this move might be the dumbest acquisition in history. Bye bye Larry.
# 10  
Old 10-19-2009
maybe un-american, but world-wide reality

I disagree completely. But I am an old guy and do not have your ideals anymore. OpenSource will not be harmed by this merger, no way. Community products will come and go like before. Lets see, I vote for Larry, you don't.
My only hope is, that IBM people do not go to the funeral before the body lies in the coffin. They will be heavily disappointed when the body, which is supposed to be dead, jumps directly in their face ;-)
# 11  
Old 12-11-2009
Sun Microsystems "Project Peter" targets Oracle to MySQL migrations to boost sales

So I was right, the deal to buy sun was to kill mysql because mysql gaining a lot of oracle converts. So oracle got wind of it and to had to stop it somehow ... but now the deal hit an EU snag ... sounds like a movie script ... drama drama ... Smilie

see sun's secret "Project Peter", download the pdf file.

Quote:
MySQL was able to derive significant marketing benefit from appearing to challenge Oracle, but we penetrated the markets faster by, in reality, focusing on new, huge opportunities such as Web databases. Key to MySQL's success was its determined focus on markets that Oracle (and others) was ignoring.'

This statement, suggesting that MySQL was not directly competing with Oracle, contradicts the internal presentation, showing that targetting Oracle migrations indeed was a big part of MySQL's sales strategy.

The information is especially important in light of the pending EU decision on acquisition of MySQL through Oracle, which many fear will mean an end of the MySQL product. MySQL employees also feel betrayed by the statements made by their former CEO that placate the competition between Oracle and MySQL.
https://wikileaks.de/wiki/Sun_Micros...to_boost_sales
# 12  
Old 12-11-2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by digits
This is not enough, because thus the best or most innovative products are rarely choosen.
may I carefully remind here that almost all breakthrough inventions in the past and present had been made by Big Blue that still holds most of these patents? There would be no tape, no disk, without them ... And that they still put roughly 50% of their net income into development of new innovations?
Open Source is not the answer to everything, and neither is an IT world with just the big players in it ... in the Unix world every derivate has its pro's and con's ... and I really doubt that this Oracle-Sun deal will keep solaris alive at all - what is a shame. Maybe a fate like being bought by IBM or HP would have been not so final. Nobody knows.

Regards
zxmaus
# 13  
Old 12-12-2009
MySQL Time will show, and hopefully those opponents will be refuted

I think some of you are notorious pessimists. Smilie

Oracle has contributed very much to the Open Source already (think of the ADF contribution to the Apache Foundation), and it has pushed MySQL in the past by giving them InnoDB. It is still pushing Php and other open technologies and do not forget that Oracle has named Open Source Unixes like Linux and Open Solaris their strategic platforms, which helped especially Linux vendors very much (although Oracle Linux has only little market share compared to Red Hat and Novell) and which has even helped to damage the #1 Unix vendor Sun very much. Now they will not need to do that anymore, they can use the best technologies instead of need to compete against them. Smilie

I wouldn't expect Oracle to kill any of the Open Source products they own, rather I expect them to be able to make revenue with it. And that is absolutely legal and morally correct. They have to feed nearly 100.000 employed people and their families and they are liable for the quality of their products. Smilie

As some of you said, Open Source is not everything. I go further and say, it only makes sense if it is integrated in the value creation chain. Smilie

Some said, IBM would have been a better recepton camp for MySQL.
NO, IBM is not the advocate of the Open Source community. Just the opposite. They just use the community as cheap labour to compete against companies who still invent own things with own employees. And although IBM had invented many things in the past (but not half as much as one of you said, it i.e. was DEC, who invented most of the dialogue orientated computing. the client server paradigm and clusters and things we are using nowadays and Xerox and Apple and Sun and so on, but not IBM), todays IBM has thinned out their own technological divisions very much, by selling most of these things they had invented to China and other countries which provide cheap labour. Mind, they are not like others, building new divisions in these countries. No they preferred to sell everything to China, not being liable for the work conditions there and not being liable for product quality, environmental compliances and so on. But their main reason was, that technology in general is not creating revenue fast enough and that labour is not anymore regarded as valueable. This means IBM just neglects all ideals most of the Open Source people have. IBM is no more than a bank today. They act like a bank would act. Their boss is a banker not a technologist. All their strategies are typical banker's strategies, heading for one thing: abolish competitors , abolish free market, abolish thinking customers with own IT staff, turning customers into addicts. And occasional good deeds are just done for positive publicity. If they would have been able to to have it their way always, we would still be using punch tapes or punch cards, believe me. Don't take my word for it, there are many books about IBM, which are worth reading. I especially like reading about their entanglement with the Nazis and their assistance with the annihilation of millions of people. Smilie

That is long ago, but somehow IBM still smells of it, more than any other company in the world. You can see their hidden ideals also from their effort in artificial intelligence projects. They are still trying to invent the Superman, like Nietzsche and Hitler did. Some kind of humanoid maybe, that is only wanting to use z/OS and punch cards and that is happy to annihilate all the normal human beings to achieve that great benefaction.
Smilie

Last edited by digits; 12-12-2009 at 08:51 AM..
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