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# 15  
Old 05-04-2012
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Originally Posted by mark54g
You are a vendor, not a systems administrator.
This is pretty much what I wish I'd said.
# 16  
Old 05-04-2012
An aside - we have all experienced dll Hell at one time. This was/is caused by the fact that PC software developers do not have compunctions about overwriting existing dll's with a version of the dll 'they have to have' during installation. That seems to be what you are advocating.

One of the apps I am sysadmin and chief whipping boy for brings $US280 million revenue per year. Bills utility customers. Your uninstall implementation screws that up and my company will go after you mercilessly. Got a spare $30 million? This is what you are dealing in UNIX, and even Linux. We do not patch Windows servers for the reason I just mentioned. We go thru a horribly painful redeployment periodically.

One is on now.

We have four experienced Windows guys trying to upgrade from XP boxes to Windows 7, about 600 boxes. There are about 80 of those boxes they simply are going insane over. Mgt was getting cranky about it until we got an important person out on the floor to witness what was going on. Now they are thinking Linux desktops.... Meanwhile we are using Windows 2003 servers to let users runs apps they cannot run on their desktops.
# 17  
Old 05-07-2012
Yet another thing I should add is that I've occasionally fought with installers that are over-paranoid about dependencies. Things that weren't prepared for the future, unable to recognize newer, backwards-compatible versions of its dependencies, and thus unable to install itself on systems it was perfectly capable of running on. Just another reason that trying too hard to outsmart your customers is shooting yourself in the foot...
# 18  
Old 05-08-2012
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Originally Posted by mark54g
Coming from a UNIX engineering perspective:

If your software ever tried to update other packages in this way, I would uninstall it, create an incident, and bring my legal team together to get you sued out of existence.

You handle YOUR software. You manage your own paths, and bring your own stuff to the party. If you update components on another person's system, you risk breaking it, and costing them a tremendous amount of money and pain.

That will translate into YOUR pain. Don't do it.

Manage your software, not theirs.


What you should do, is follow current best practices:

Create an installer that VERIFIES the minimum versions of software as provided by the OS. You can do that with apt, rpm, yum, whatever. When your vetting is done, you then issue message to the console, or via a log, etc that the system has been verified and may continue, and the installer continues, or that they are missing the per-requisites, and list them. By NO means should you go and get them. That is asking for trouble. You are a vendor, not a systems administrator.
The customers buy my software specifically for the purpose of managing their PCs, including installed applications, and installed applications are updated only on their specific orders. This is the exact function for which they buy my product.
# 19  
Old 05-08-2012
There are already plenty of packages to manage systems. Aside from intense scripting, there are no other options.

Frankly, I have never been impressed with any software that tries to do what yours is trying to accomplish. Any other kitschy attempts will likely break a system. You may try image based rollbacks, but realize that could be disk intensive, take up lots of space, and leave the system broken in some cases. btrfs is a way to try to fix this by taking snapshots before a patch, with the ability to roll back, however that relies on the file systems being btrfs, which is still a work in progress, and requires a boot loader that can show you the snapshots. That part doesn't exist just yet.

Aside from having generic kickstart/autoyast etc images to rebuild a machine quickly and then apply their packages again (Spacewalk, RHN Satellite, SUSE Manager) you have little use for the tool you are building. Besides, with the three items listed, they do exactly what you want to do already, and Spacewalk is free (however the built in Oracle Express is severely limited, and last I looked the Postgres version was lacking in features).

Last edited by mark54g; 05-08-2012 at 10:48 AM.. Reason: To add that the 1.7 version of Spacewalk can be run with Postgres without an apparent lack of features
# 20  
Old 05-08-2012
Apparently, my customers aren't of the same opinion.
# 21  
Old 05-08-2012
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Originally Posted by Brandon9000
This is the exact function for which they buy my product.
The product which doesn't exist?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon9000
Apparently, my customers aren't of the same opinion.
If they buy your hackneyed product then learn their mistake, they are going to be very unimpressed with you.
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