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Top Forums Programming Multi-threading questions Post 42526 by DreamWarrior on Thursday 30th of October 2003 01:19:40 PM
Old 10-30-2003
Multi-threading questions

I've been doing some reading lately about threading (Posix threads) and I'm really curious about a couple things that I've read. I'm not sure if many people here have threading experience, but I thought it would be nice to be able to discuss some questions about it.

(For the record, I did search, and found tons of threads with "thread" in them for obvious reasons, refining my search to "posix thread" revealed very limited results - and one general thread that was from 2002 - similar searching for "multi thread" provided minimal results as well. Anyway, I just wanted you all to know that I searched before starting a somewhat general thread).

On to the questions:

1) I know that errno is thread safe when the _REENTRANT macro is defined...what about when it is not? I.E. I'm calling a library function from a library that wasn't compiled with the _REENTRANT macro, what errno value do those functions get? Always the errno from the first thread (this is what I'd hope such that a library can declare that it is safe if called from the primary thread).

2) I've seen functions re-written to be thread safe by doing their work in a local variable, then copying that local variable out to a user passed in storage area. What I wonder is, what about just using the user defined storage area directly? I.E. Why do they do this:

Code:
int func(struct f_struct *outBuf)
{
   struct f_struct work;

   /* set everything in work */

   memcpy(outBuf, &work, sizeof(struct f_struct));
}

While it would seem just as appropriate to do the work directly in outBuf?

I would think that with large structures, the memcpy at the end would be more expensive than working with outBuf directly?

What I'm wondering is are both methods appropriate, and my literature only mentions their preference?

3) In general, it seems that an application using threads needs to link with the pthread library. Therefore, how do I provide both thread safe interfaces and standard interfaces in one library without requring an application to link with the pthread library. Obviously to call the functions that use pthread_ functions, I need that library. However, I'd prefer NOT to make a library dependant on the availabillity of a thread library. How do the standard libraries overcome this?

Anyway, I'm sure I'll have more questions...but that's all I can think of right now...off to read some more.
 

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PTHREAD_JOIN(3) 					     Linux Programmer's Manual						   PTHREAD_JOIN(3)

NAME
pthread_join - join with a terminated thread SYNOPSIS
#include <pthread.h> int pthread_join(pthread_t thread, void **retval); Compile and link with -pthread. DESCRIPTION
The pthread_join() function waits for the thread specified by thread to terminate. If that thread has already terminated, then pthread_join() returns immediately. The thread specified by thread must be joinable. If retval is not NULL, then pthread_join() copies the exit status of the target thread (i.e., the value that the target thread supplied to pthread_exit(3)) into the location pointed to by *retval. If the target thread was canceled, then PTHREAD_CANCELED is placed in *retval. If multiple threads simultaneously try to join with the same thread, the results are undefined. If the thread calling pthread_join() is canceled, then the target thread will remain joinable (i.e., it will not be detached). RETURN VALUE
On success, pthread_join() returns 0; on error, it returns an error number. ERRORS
EDEADLK A deadlock was detected (e.g., two threads tried to join with each other); or thread specifies the calling thread. EINVAL thread is not a joinable thread. EINVAL Another thread is already waiting to join with this thread. ESRCH No thread with the ID thread could be found. CONFORMING TO
POSIX.1-2001. NOTES
After a successful call to pthread_join(), the caller is guaranteed that the target thread has terminated. Joining with a thread that has previously been joined results in undefined behavior. Failure to join with a thread that is joinable (i.e., one that is not detached), produces a "zombie thread". Avoid doing this, since each zombie thread consumes some system resources, and when enough zombie threads have accumulated, it will no longer be possible to create new threads (or processes). There is no pthreads analog of waitpid(-1, &status, 0), that is, "join with any terminated thread". If you believe you need this function- ality, you probably need to rethink your application design. All of the threads in a process are peers: any thread can join with any other thread in the process. EXAMPLE
See pthread_create(3). SEE ALSO
pthread_cancel(3), pthread_create(3), pthread_detach(3), pthread_exit(3), pthread_tryjoin_np(3), pthreads(7) COLOPHON
This page is part of release 3.53 of the Linux man-pages project. A description of the project, and information about reporting bugs, can be found at http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/. Linux 2008-11-27 PTHREAD_JOIN(3)
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