What level are you?

RTM · #1 06-23-2004

Just for fun (I'm somewhere between novice and user):

Quote:

Eight Circles of UNIX-fu
[Author Unknown]

Level Description and features:

beginner - insecure with the concept of a terminal
- has yet to learn the basics of vi
- has not figured out how to get a directory listing
- still has trouble with typing
after each line of input

novice - knows that "ls" will produce a directory listing
- uses the editor, but calls it "vye"
- has heard of "C" but never used it
- has had his first bad experience with rm
- is wondering how to read his mail
- is wondering why the person next to him
seems to like Unix so very much

user - uses vi and nroff, but inexpertly
- has heard of regular-expr.s but never seen one
- has figured out that "-" precedes options
- has attempted to write a C program and has
decided to stick with pascal
- is wondering how to move a directory
- thinks that dbx is a brand of stereo component
- knows how to read his mail and is wondering
how to read the news

knowlegable - uses nroff with no trouble, and is beginning
user to learn tbl and eqn
- uses grep to search for fixed strings
- has figured out that mv(1) will move directories
- has learned that "help" doesn`t help
- somebody has shown him how to write C programs
- once used sed to do some text substitution
- has seen dbx used but does not use it himself
- thinks that make is only for wimps

expert - uses sed when necessary
- uses macro"s in vi, uses ex when neccesary
- posts news at every possible opportunity
- write csh scripts occasionally
- write C programs using vi and compiles with cc
- has figured out what "&&" and "||" are for
- thinks that human history started with "!h"

hacker - uses sed and awk with comfort
- uses undocumented features of vi
- write C code with "cat >" and compiles with "!cc"
- uses adb because he doesn`t trust source
debuggers
- can answer questions about the user environment
- writes his own nroff macros to supplement standard
ones
- write scripts for Bourne shell (/bin/sh)
- knows how to install bug fixes

guru - uses m4 and lex with comfort
- writes assembly code with "cat >"
- uses adb on the kernel while system is loaded
- customizes utilities by patching the source
- reads device driver source with his breakfast
- can answer any unix question after a
little thought
- uses make for anything that requires two or more
distinct commands to achieve
- has learned how to breach security but no longer
needs to try

wizard - writes device drivers with "cat >"
- fixes bugs by patching the binaries
- can answer any question before you ask
- writes his own troff macro packages
- is on first-name basis with Dennis, Bill, and Ken

izy100 · #2 06-23-2004

I am betweem knowledgeable to hacker.
But i dunno how to use
nroff, tbl, eqn and adb. Yet to write a full-blown C program in unix.
Uses more of ksh, awk, sed and sh than csh.

cbkihong · #3 06-23-2004

Knowledgeable-Hacker.

but I do write Makefiles a lot. For building LaTeX documents, and sometimes to replace shell scripts ... just virtually anything.

No, I don't use *roff either but my impression is *TeX is even more problematic than *roff.

zazzybob · #4 06-23-2004

Looks like I'm between Knowledgable and Hacker too then.

Never used *roff, but am quite nifty with LaTeX.

Starting to get to grips with my C programming too.... although I'd rather knock up a Bourne shell script to do the job if possible.

And awk is my dear friend (I've written a shell script to syntax-highlighted HTML converter using awk...)

Cheers
ZB

pressy · #5 06-23-2004

read(0, 0xFFBFF7E7, 1)
read(0, " b", 1) = 1
write(2, " b", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " e", 1) = 1
write(2, " e", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " g", 1) = 1
write(2, " g", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " i", 1) = 1
write(2, " i", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " n", 1) = 1
write(2, " n", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " n", 1) = 1
write(2, " n", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " e", 1) = 1
write(2, " e", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, " r", 1) = 1
write(2, " r", 1) = 1
getcontext(0xFFBFF688)
read(0, 0xFFBFF7E7, 1) (sleeping...)

.....
something says me this post will be ignored *hehe*
.....

difficult to say, i think it belongs on your job.....
on my opinion there are 3 jobs in the large EDP sector

programmer&developer:
tries to write OS&Applications which should work
system engineer:
tries to integrate and implement the OS&Applications
administrators:
tries to keep the implementations running...

greetings Preßy

kswaraj · #6 06-23-2004

I am between User to Expert. I dont know many undocumented stuff.

Swaraj

dkaplowitz · #7 06-23-2004

I didn't like the options, so I modified it myself. Nothing fancy, but closer to my experience. Here goes:

[edit]I posted it online: http://www.dkap.info/8-circles.html
[/edit]

Quote:

beginner
- was given a login and password by someone else
- was shown how to log in and list directories, but wonders what is next (might also know "cat" because it's a real word)
- has yet to learn how to exit vi without rebooting
- still asks questions like "how do I become a hacker"
- still titles his questions in useless ways like "Question" or "Problem"

novice
- can save and exit vi, but calls it "vye"
- has heard of "C" but doesn't really know A or B yet (and wonders why no one mentions them as much)
- has had his first bad experience with rm, but doesn't know it
- is wondering how to read his mail
- is wondering how to move a directory
- is unaware of hidden files
- is wondering why the person next to him seems to like Unix so very much

user
- uses vi and nroff, but inexpertly
- insecure with the concept of a terminal
- has had his second bad experience with rm and knows it
- has heard of regexps but has never seen one
- has figured out that "-" precedes options
- has attempted to write a C program and has decided to stick with pascal
- thinks that dbx is a brand of stereo component
- knows how to read his mail and is wondering how to read the news
- still asks questions that have obvious answers, but thinks twice about it
- has heard of man pages

knowledgable
- uses nroff with no trouble, and is beginning user to learn tbl and eqn
- uses grep to search for fixed strings
- has changed his command prompt about 330,000 times
- has figured out that mv(1) will move directories
- uses tar, but has a lot of tarballs with no hidden files
- is aware that hidden files exist
- has learned that "help" doesn't help
- still uses color in his terminals
- somebody has shown him how to modify existing C programs
- once used sed to do some text substitution
- has seen dbx used but does not use it himself
- thinks that make is only for wimps
- has actually seen a man page, but finds them about as useful as a third testacle
- starting to get the idea about searching for the answer to questions before asking them
- might be able to successfully install Redhat Linux

expert
- uses sed when necessary
- uses macro's in vi, uses ex when neccesary
- has a high post count on some UNIX forum somewhere
- write sh scripts occasionally
- write C programs using vi and compiles with cc
- has figured out what "&&" and "||" are for
- thinks that human history started with "!h"
- uses Google as if it were "The Oracle" in The Matrix
- has configured a firewall using an open source OS
- makes use of man pages more frequently than ever before...starting to actually like them
- has actually answered a question or two on an open forum
- Is thinking of doing a stage-1 install of Gentoo Linux

hacker
- uses sed and awk with comfort
- uses undocumented features of vi
- write C code with "cat >" and compiles with "!cc"
- uses adb because he doesn`t trust source debuggers
- can answer questions about the user environment
- writes his own nroff macros to supplement standard ones
- write scripts for Bourne shell (/bin/sh)
- knows how to install bug fixes
- has transcended Gentoo and is on to LFS or OpenBSD -CURRENT

guru
- uses m4 and lex with comfort
- writes assembly code with "cat >"
- uses adb on the kernel while system is loaded
- customizes utilities by patching the source
- reads device driver source with his breakfast
- can answer any unix question after a little thought
- uses make for anything that requires two or more distinct commands to achieve
- has learned how to breach security but no longer needs to try
- created his own liveCD and is working on an embedded OS

wizard
- writes device drivers with "cat >"
- fixes bugs by patching the binaries
- can answer any question before you ask
- writes his own troff macro packages
- can revisit a 2-page Perl script he wrote 2 years ago and still understand what it does
- is on first-name basis with Dennis, Bill, and Ken

P.S. I haven't even made the list yet, so I am pre-beginner.

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